911. - Rachel Zoe

All right, uh, this episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by Stateside with Kai and Carter, a new podcast from The Guardian. And they are using this podcast to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions that we all have about what's happening in the world. And they do it 3 times a week. Jason, does that sound familiar to you?

We don't really talk about, you know, a lot of international global news items and climates and cultures and sports and things like that. We do talk about fashion and wellness, but for everything else, Kai and Carter are a great place.

All right, so who couldn't use more news? Listen wherever you get your podcasts or watch on YouTube. Hello and gone. Oh, it's a beautiful, beautiful, warm and sunny Thursday afternoon in Los Angeles, California. I arrived with approximately 7 minutes to spare. A classic maneuver that's happened to me a few times in the history of this podcast, but today I was confident. You know, I know Los Angeles, I know my way around, I know where to park the car illegally to get in the hotel as fast as possible. I'm cutting corners that I maybe couldn't cut in other major cities.

Mm-hmm, yeah, you know WeHo like the back of your hand, don't you? All the nooks and crannies and crevices available. And I was actually thinking of you a couple days ago. When I parked in the red and I just said, I'm gonna park in the red, fuck, what are you gonna do about it? Nothing happened.

Exactly, bro. Gotta let it hang sometimes. If you don't let— if you don't let it hang, the West Hollywood, uh, traffic cops won't even write. They want you to let it hang here. That's kind of the whole— West Hollywood is built on guys letting it hang, if you think about it.

Truer words have never been, been uttered. And actually, speaking of letting them hang, uh, in terms of nuts. I was thinking earlier on the way, I was driving to Pilates and I was like, I was thinking about like the word sacrilege. And you know, I feel like I use it a lot. And you know, maybe it's because I'm DJing a Tom of Finland party with you to another straight guy and it feels sacrilege. But also, is it fair to say that we're going to put the sack in sacrilege?

Oh, you got to put down those edibles, big dog. It's starting to happen. It's starting to have an effect on your mental capabilities.

No, I mean, like, it's like, it's like making them like otherworldly, like more human than human, kind of more human than human.

What song is that? You know that song?

That is—

is it Rob Zombie? Is it?

It is. Yeah, that's White Zombie.

I know that from 99X, Atlanta's alternative radio station.

99X.

99X. Yeah, I'm so glad I made it. My flight was only delayed by like 30 minutes or so for, for the de-icing, uh, as, as Leonard, Leonard mentioned. Um, but yesterday in New York when I got back from Charleston, it was, I mean, you know, it was 45 degrees and sunny.

That's nice.

So it was sort of like the day started with, with, with snow and it ended with sun. God bless. But I'm happy to be here. Um, and, uh, I can't wait to podcast with you. I can't wait to go out tonight. I can't wait to have a Hanover Ecom shoot tomorrow. I'm just, my dance card is full, baby.

First motherfucker I've ever heard say he's excited for an Tom shoot.

Hey man, if, if, look, if you've, if you've sitting in, sitting inside of Milk Studios with Tim, does it get better than that for someone like me? That I am low.

Damn, don't let me do a pop-in tomorrow.

Oh, please pop and pop in. I know you're gonna be hungover. I bet they got beer there. I can ask him to pick up a 6-pack of Modelo to kind of ease your pain.

Maybe like a nice ice cold Pepsi. And if they could get the In-N-Out truck over, that'd be nice.

Ice cold Pepsi. I saw, I saw, I, I think that, um, I saw a guy wearing a Pepsi sweatshirt at the airport today.

Okay.

And he didn't look like someone that would have been influenced by Addison Rae. So it was sort of like, wow, do you just, do you just fuck with Pepsi that much, bro? Because the Coca-Cola logo is iconic. I would say a Pepsi logo is not even the top 30 of iconic logos.

Sad but true. I was unfortunately listening to a random podcast with Burt Kreischer and he was claiming— Burt Kreischer on Pete Holmes.

And dude, you really— these edibles are working. Never mind, I take it back. If you can get it through that, you can get through anything.

Scraping the barrel. You know, I spend a lot of time walking, so I get it.

I get it.

But, but they were— it was, it was, it was awful. First of all, he was trying to explain to Pete Holmes about how awesome the Jelly Roll Hey Dude shoes that he received as a gift turned him— he used to be a flip-flop guy, barefoot guy, and now he's, he's a Hey Dude guy through and through. House shoe, house slipper, whatever you want to call it. He's got his dudes on, and then, you know, they're, they're talking like, why does Jelly Roll have like a fucking collab, you know? And he's like, well, you know, when you're a big guy, you don't really— you're not into tying too much, you know what I mean? We're slipping. It's like, it's a, it's an old thing or a fat thing to where we need to— we don't have time to tie.

Well, based on— I mean, based on production timelines at the Hey Dude factories, I mean, Jelly Roll was still fat when this thing got started.

Exactly.

You know what I mean? So it's like, he's—

as we all— we'll talk to our guest about it today, but the wheels of fashion turn slowly. You know, you think, oh, I've got an idea for this. You know, unless you're Shein, Shein, you're not going to spit things out. And what's 18 months runway?

The pendulum doesn't hit that fast. Like it hits fast. We've seen Hollywood hollow out, but it ain't, it ain't working like that.

But, but back to Pepsi, he was also explaining to Pete Holmes that the, the Black community loves Pepsi more than Coca-Cola.

Hold on one second, Burt Kreischer.

He was like, I thought they had Sprite. And he, and, and Burt was like, you know, a lot of people We'll try to do the Sprite narrative to get you off the scent. But apparently it roots back and they studied it and did research that in the '80s in inner city areas, they did Pepsi branding deals where it was like half the price of Coca-Cola and everyone just got hooked on the Pexi.

I believe the Pexi. I believe that. But as someone from Atlanta, Georgia, which is a predominantly Black community in many ways.

Yeah. But also the hometown of Coca-Cola. That's a huge asterisk. No, it is.

It is.

If Black Hollywood's drinking Coke, then that's what my judge— you know what I mean? That's my— that's what I don't go by. Two nerdy white comedians talking, telling me—

you're not gonna let a Floridian come in here and tell, tell you about cola?

No, exactly. No, honestly, no one could tell me about cola. Not a goddamn— you know, because at El Mir, Jason, they famously serve— would I get my cola?

Wait till I get my soda right. Okay, go ahead.

They, um, They at Elmira, they serve RC Cola as a, as like a sort of—

I used to fuck with a little RC.

I've never had it. I've never had it. But how does it— obviously it's a much smaller operation, smaller footprint, not in as many, in as many, um, gas stations.

Less SKUs, less SKUs than Coke, sure. But, uh, I think in the '80s RC, it was—

we should— I would love to hear a taste comparison between the, the three there, metal, between Coke, RC, and, and Pepsi.

I'm so old, I did I did the damn Pepsi challenge when I was a little kid at the mall. Yeah, old, old trades. And you already know I got it right. I got a coupon.

You already know I got it right. I saw that, um, Aiden Ross has put on quite a bit of weight, and he said he's working on that.

So he's working on adding more weight?

No, no, he's working on— he got lazy. He got too rich, I think. Um, so you can't be—

we can't talk about Aiden Ross, Chris.

Come on.

I'm sorry, but I just saw that and I was like, man, I feel for you, bro, because it's, you know, if your job is to sit down for 10 hours with and talk it's tough to get your exercise in, you know what I mean?

You think it's a little bit of a— there's like streamer gut, lean gut.

That's what I'm saying, streamer gut is real. I mean, look, MrBeast, you know, if you take off MrBeast's fucking Walmart t-shirt, it's a little soft under there. You know, Beast ain't beasting like we thought he was.

You're saying Aiden Ross's hip flexors got to be tight as a bastard?

Tight as hell. He doesn't even know what a hip flexor is. He thinks that's a rapper.

Well, I was going to say, oh, I wanted to to talk about my spelling bee. Yeah, medal, medal placing. The good friends over at, uh, Substack, they had a spelling bee for, for Kazie David's book release.

I never thought of you as a speller on that level. And who did you lose to?

Alex Edelman. Alex Edelman beat me. They were, they were in the like brand names of things. I lost on Louboutin because somebody in the crowd was trying to tell me a letter and threw me off and the letter they chose was wrong. I had to phone a friend, ask help for how to spell the word Milwaukee, and somebody raised their hand saying, I'm from Milwaukee, and she got it wrong. So I mean, like, that's actually really cool. She embarrassed the embarrassment, unless Edelman paid her off to be a mole of some sort. But I lost Louboutin and then he got Lamborghini, which I would have gotten easily. He took it by a cunt hair, unfortunately.

I think I could have gotten both of those, but there was one word that you said that I don't think I— that you got that I don't think I could have gotten.

Niacinamide.

Definitely not going to get that. That's also unfair. You can't put medical— I mean, that's just— that seems crazy to me.

There was a medical category, um, and you know, half the people on the, on the dais are hypochondriacs and the other half are like beauty people, so everyone knew like hydrochloric acid and niacinamide. Like, oh, I see. All the ladies—

Nicole Richie knew all of those.

Nicole Richie dominated. She had stock and all. She's like, I know how to spell that word and I own that word.

I have a company that does that, actually. I think it's—

I don't know where it is right now, but we did some good building with Nicole. She was actually amazing. Loved her attitude. And I hope for her to, uh, finally lock in and be a How Long Gone guest.

I know it's been a— it's been a real journey with Nicole, but I think— I think she'll come around.

Yeah, I think our guest today will— yeah, really move her needle.

I was thinking about that. I was thinking about that, but I didn't want to— I didn't want to put any pressure on it. Of course, I don't want anybody texting, you know, or calling or anything in our, you know, on our behalf.

For sure.

I would hate that. I would hate that. Um, are you ready to turn up tonight?

I'm almost ready to turn up tonight. I mean, we got— we got a long— we got a late pod today, which actually feels good. I'm normally podcasting before 9 AM. I'm a little— I'm a little crusty. I'm a little janky. I'm not, I'm not doing great. But now it's, it's 1 PM. I've already gone on a big walk, had a smoothie, went to Pilates, shit, showered, shaved, the whole thing. I'm getting my USB sticks all juiced up with some fucking horny shit, and I'm looking forward to it, Chris.

Great. Well, I got up at 4:30 and sat next, sat next to an unnamed minor celebrity that I'll tell you off mic who was The most, um, I, I, I was in Delta when I did get the upgrade and it was an interesting— Bravo. It was, um, it was just a throwback to a time that I forgot about where you're wearing the mask, earplugs, you're wiping down every surface, you know, it's like, it's a real— it's like—

And you're saying this minor celebrity was doing that?

Yes, to the point of like hysterics. But then I sort of found out why and it made a little more sense, uh, after we landed. So I was— I, I got it a little more, but I did something I haven't done in a while that felt really good. I read an entire book from start to finish on the plane.

Damn, you did the— you did the end to end?

I did the end to end. For my freight riders out there, this, this Belle Burden book that came out that the people recommended to me is called Strangers: A Memoir of Marriage, and it is very good.

You saying this motherfucker's last name is Burden?

Yeah, I mean, it's a— her, her family history is, uh, rich, both both, uh, really and, uh, figuratively.

Reading on the plane, that's a burden to me, bro. But it was really—

it was very good. I highly recommend it if you want to hear about a marriage collapsing after 20 years, um, and then dealing with that. But I was, I was quite impressed.

Speaking of our guest today, Rachel Zoe—

oh yeah, our guest today is, is Rachel Zoe, the famed, the original, the OG celebrity stylist. Uh, she has, she has her catchphrase Um, when she sees Jason, I die. You know, you, you know, of course, reality TV, The Zoe Report. She sold to Bustle. She has several, uh, product lines and all kinds of department stores still. And she's the newest cast member of The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. She's breaking bread with all my girlies over there in the 90210.

And she's single. She's back out on the market. She's snatchiana AF. All of her angles are on fleek.

Her hair still looks great. Iconic hair.

Pooped and gagged over here.

You can talk to any woman, they'll talk about her hair. Um, all right, so let's, let's, uh, let's go, uh, chat with, chat with Rachel. This episode of How Long Gone is brought to you by a new podcast from The Guardian, Stateside with Kai and Carter. This is covering a lot of our bases, Jason. It's, uh, it's trying to slow down the news and wrestle with the questions we all have about what's happening in the world. And I know you particularly have quite a lot of questions.

A lot of questions. But how often? Because we do this podcast 3 times a week, and that's a sweet spot. How many times do they do?

3 times a week. And I I, I have a feeling just based on the platform and these talking points that they're maybe going to be covering different stuff than we do. That's just a guess.

The Guardian is not some billionaire-owned platform. They're not afraid to say what they want to say, brother.

Yeah, Rupert ain't sniffing around in, in what, uh, journalists Kai Wright and Carter Sherman are up to over there at, uh, stateside. But yeah, listen wherever you get your podcasts. You can watch on YouTube. It's 3 times a week. And, and who couldn't use more news, you know, especially especially when it's, when it's not, you know, from here. Let's say, give it a, give it a listen. Give it a listen. Every time I go to the doctor, I walk out of that bitch feeling dumb. I got no real info. This guy in a white coat just say, you're fine, you know, drink more water.

He knows how to charge my copay.

Exactly.

That's about it.

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All right, Rachel, thank you for joining us. Wow, we've covered so much while you're trying to get your headphones plugged in.

I told you I was technologically challenged.

That's okay. We don't want you to be too techie.

Yeah, that would be upsetting if you were all like really good at using the computer. It just feels wrong for you.

It's slightly off brand, right?

It's slightly off brand. But you were saying that you have several pairs of AirPods littered throughout your home. Your pockets, your bags. But then you've now come to the table with a wired pair. So that means we didn't find any of the 5 AirPods.

No, I actually only use wired.

Oh, you do use wired? Okay.

I only use wired. I have this weird thing in my brain that is not factual or proven, but I just, I just feel like not wired is somehow going into my brain.

Yeah, it's fine. It's 5G.

Yeah.

Okay. So yeah, we just had, um, Kazie David on our pod last week, uh, Larry David's daughter, and she has a new book out, but she has these EMF headphones with a 20-foot extension cord. So she puts her phone or her computer on the other side of the room and then has this long cord so she can listen to Gilmore Girls while she falls asleep because of her stress and anxiety.

Really?

So maybe that's something that Santa Claus could bring you this year. Wow.

Something to think about for you. I did something to think about.

I used to do that. I used to listen to— I would just put on like Friends in the background. I wasn't even watching it while you're folding laundry or whatever it is. Just like while I was— I mean, that's a nice thought, but that's the thing that people—

she's like, I haven't folded laundry in a long time, big dog.

It's not that.

Okay, put on Friends and have one of your assistants fold the laundry.

No, it's not. It's not that. It's more just I'm not great at folding laundry, to be honest. It's not something I excel at. It's not that I won't do it. I just will own the fact I'm not great at it.

Really?

I know, given my career, it should be something I'm excellent at, but I'm not.

Did you ever work retail?

I did, but when I did, it wasn't like at Benetton. It wasn't like Gap. It wasn't folding perfectly because that would have really taught me. How to do it. But my first job was actually selling shoes, which did not involve folding. It involved—

so my first— one of my first jobs was selling shoes as well.

Where?

In Atlanta, Georgia, at a store called Abba Dabba's. I was— it was commission-based.

So I did—

I did pretty well with the Birkenstock crowd.

How old were you?

I was like 19, 18, 19.

Yeah, I was 16.

It was—

oh, 16. Wow.

We're starting.

But it was a designer or no?

Uh, it was Nine West in the Short Hills Mall.

Wow, Nine. They did, they did commissionage at the mall?

Yeah, they did.

That's a different time.

It was a different time back then. Well, what, where was that mall exactly, Rachel?

Short Hills, New Jersey.

Short Hills, New Jersey.

I know, I think we think of you as such a California chick, but you really are New Jersey.

Yeah, I am, I am probably more New York, um, because my Parents didn't really own the fact that they lived in New Jersey and we lived 30 minutes in the city. So my mom, like psychologically and quite literally when we traveled, would tell people we lived in New York and I would be like, no, we don't.

She couldn't handle it. She couldn't handle the reality.

She— my mom couldn't handle it because they are New Yorkers.

Yeah.

Yeah. And both of them. And then when I left for college, they like, literally when I was 17, they moved back to the city. And then I don't think I've been to New Jersey since, really.

I mean, why would you?

And So yeah, I think we always thought of ourselves— and then I lived in New York after that, so for, for about 11 years or so before I moved to LA. So I really was— I mean, the best decade of my life, hands down, was my decade in the city after college.

Oh, I bet you were turning the fuck up. What was going on in that decade exactly? If you could just give us some high points.

Let me tell you something, no pun intended. You know, this is how long of a pod? This is— are we an hour? We need days.

But this is sort of our, this is sort of our sweet hotspot. What were the hotspots during your heyday in New York?

What my first hotspot, which is so— when I think about what went on there, it was like so iconic. It, it was called Café de Bach.

Yeah. Yeah.

And so first it was Café de Bach and that was like Kate Moss and Johnny Depp and Christy, you know, like every supermodel, every, every, everyone that was anyone. And it was sort of like if you could get in there, you— it, that was all you needed. Right. Like, it was so— it was small. It was really small. And then so it was Café du Tabac and Merc Bar and Spy and Wax. And then it was Moomba and Bungalow 8.

Club names, no matter how many times I've heard them, they always give me a— Wax is just such a— it's just—

I know, but it was so good.

I've never heard of Wax. Moomba I've heard of. And of course, Bungalow 8 was the haven.

Moomba and Bungalow 8 were basically like the Studio 54. They weren't clubs. They weren't dance clubs. But it was, for all intents and purposes, I think signified the exclusivity and the era. I mean, let's put it this way. When Moomba closed, I moved to LA.

All right.

You were like— I was like, and so—

You're like, I'm out of this shithole. This is— I've had enough.

So you're at LAX at customs. They're like, what are you— what are you here for? Moomba closed.

Yeah, Moomba closed.

It's—

I'm sorry. It's the end of an era. I'm sorry. We're done here now. Like, there's nothing left for me here.

So what, what exactly was so magical about Club Moomba that once that closed, it really was the end of an era?

I can, I can tell you, Jason, she was 25, hot, and could get in. That was, those are all, that's all, that's the look.

She's, she was, she was hot and can get in anywhere. Why Moomba though?

But is there, yeah, is Moomba, is there something special, I guess, about Moomba?

It was because I couldn't get into Moomba.

Well, so it was It was on, um, it was 7th between 10th and Charles, and I lived on [redacted address], and then I lived at 95 Horatio, so it was like 5 minutes from my house. But it was all you needed to do because, for me, because I was, meaning I was just working, right? So I was on set every day shooting some celebrity or pop star or whatever. And I would just know that on any night of the week, 7 nights a week, I could go to Moomba and find all my friends. And there was a guy named— is a guy named Jeff Gossett who was the owner. And it was not a dance club at all. It was small. It was a restaurant downstairs. And then upstairs was the lounge.

Okay.

And literally, I knew every single person there on any given night, honestly. Even Sundays, you could be there till 4 or 5 in the morning. And it was everyone from Mark Ronson and the Ronsons and whatever to Bono, Madonna. Like, it didn't matter. Like, I was by far and away the least famous, least whatever.

Diddy was there, all kinds of celebs. I get it.

Everyone.

And it was exclusive. I mean, they didn't, but, but yet it felt like family if you were inside. Does that make sense?

Two questions.

Of course.

Were you assisting or were you working on your own then?

Oh no, I was on my own. I went, I went freelance. I've worked for myself since I was 25.

Okay.

I went out on my own at 25.

And what was the— in, let's say, Moomba Heyday, what was the look?

Uh, honestly, it's not that different than I, than I am now. My style, truly, my style is like not— it's funny because I actually recently have been wearing things that I'm like, when was the last time I wore this jacket? And I'm like, Jesus, it was probably like 2000. Like, I mean, literally 20 years ago.

I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So big jewelry, big, you know, big gold vintage.

You're like, so you're basically saying I've been doing this shit is what you're saying?

To be honest, like, for better, for worse, like, I'm almost embarrassed to say, like, I don't know that I've changed that much.

Like, I think that's a testament to your staying power.

Yeah, you have a— you're a uniform dresser, but your uniform your form is a little less Steve Jobs and a little more—

less black turtleneck and 501s and more fur and gold.

More fur, gold, skinny jeans, heels.

You guys, my sister FaceTimed me. She's in New York, so she FaceTimed me yesterday, and I dropped my son off at school. And so I got home around 8. She goes, are you okay? I go, what? She goes, what are you wearing? I said, what do you mean? She goes, are you in a fur and a smoky eye right now? And I was like, yeah, why? She's like, what time is it? Like, I was like, 8:02. And she was like, are you okay? She goes— I go, why are you so— what? You're my sister. You really, you really been seeing this shit.

You really been—

don't act like you're new to this.

That's what I'm saying. Like, why are you confused? Why are you asking me this question?

It sounds like she's jealous that you're so fabulous and she's still got the aloe set on.

Allah would be the good news on my sister at 8 AM. Like, my sister does not— my sister is like—

step in the right direction. Okay, we'll break down. Yeah, what's your sister?

Like, how early does this smoky eye go on though? Like, what the fuck? Like, do we not— can anybody see?

What— yeah, what time is the Tracy Anderson and when does the smoky eye happen?

I love that you think I do Tracy Anderson. I love you for that. That's really— that's like a really high compliment, by the way.

I feel like you're the kind of person who's never worked out.

Yeah, I wish. I dream of it. And when I do, funny enough, I do call my friend Tracy Anderson and be like, hey, do you have a great girl who just wants to ring my doorbell and make me do something in 30 minutes or less? Like, you know, because that's the only way that I'm going to do it, right?

Like, you're up, you're up at 6 a.m. with the kids and do they see you without a smoky eye? You can be honest.

Not often. Truthfully, not often. And wait, my sister is calling right now. Should I answer it?

Sure, sure. Let's get an outfit check from sis.

Wait, Pammy, I'm literally talking about you, which is so funny. That's why you're calling. I'm on a podcast right now. I can't talk. But I was just talking about how you FaceTimed me yesterday and I was in a fur and a smoky eye and you were like, are you okay? And they were like, well, what's your sister wearing? I'm like, they're like, she's probably in aloe. I'm like, that would be the good news, actually. Yeah, I'm still in my pajamas. Okay.

Okay.

Okay. I love you. I'll call you after. Bye.

I'm glad that you haven't rubbed off on her at all, though. That's nice.

No, not honestly.

Not at all. I'm the commitment to the smoky. I don't— I don't know what the process of a smoky eye is.

Okay, so I'm going to tell you full disclosure.

Okay.

Very often the smoky eye at 6 a.m. is the one from the night before. Oh, sometimes it's the night before and sometimes it's a photoshoot that happened the day before that I just slept in my eye makeup. Because are you in pro—

are you in pro promo mode for Real Housewives right now? Is that what's going on?

I am in everything mode. I am in— I am in— like, we shot the show over, like, for 3 months intensely, and then kind of no one gave me the memo that this doesn't end until, like, the reunion. So, like, I've been shooting confessionals each week, um, more or less, and then also, yes, doing promotions since like before Christmas. And so just doing different photo shoots and sure, whatever. And then I was just in New York for Fashion Week, but also doing like Today Show and all that kind of stuff.

But then see what I like about you, as far as the house— usually the Housewives have to figure out what businesses to start once they have the eyeballs. You already have the businesses. You're good.

You reverse engineered being a housewife.

You can go buy all my shit everywhere you already shop. I don't have to— you don't have to write a book. You don't have to do any of this shit like this, you know.

You know, there's no one less impressed by themselves than me. So I, I feel like I always have stuff to do, you know?

No, that's a, that's a good way to be. I agree. But I mean, I think that going back on TV, especially this kind of TV, cuz I read our friend Max wrote the story about you for New York Times. Oh my God.

He's so great. We had so much fun.

I can't, he's great.

By the way, I cannot believe, I mean, I don't know if he told you this. I think we spent like an hour and a half together.

Wow.

You would've thought we spent like 3 days together.

Yeah. Those days are over. In the journalism world. They don't— you ain't giving us 3 days, you know.

Well, also, by the way, I mean, I, I, I've lived long enough where I did many of those, and, and, and those can go either way. They can be really scary too.

So yeah, for sure, it's too much access. I thought what was interesting about it that I never thought about was that you were the executive producer of your show and you had like final say, and Andy, Andy was like, sorry, but you're gonna, you're gonna see it when you see it. You're gonna see what the rest of us—

you'll have a say. But not the say.

I have no say. I have literally no say. Quite literally no say. When you see it, I see it. Like, I don't—

Wow.

And not just that. How about this? What has dawned on me is, you know, they'll send it to me like a day or two in advance. So just so that I can sort of mentally prepare. I don't even know if it's mentally prepare as much as it's while I'm doing press, know what I'm talking about, right? But it's very hard for me to—

they're like, we don't give a fuck how you are mentally, we just need you to talk about the right shit.

By the way, yeah, by the way, this week you're an alcoholic, just wanted to remind you.

Okay, you guys, like, quite literally, I mean, uh, it's like my life is a blur in and of itself, but I think to even know what I said, you know, last July—

oh yeah, is—

I don't know. So when I do watch it, it's sort of like like, I, it's, it, I, it's hard for me to watch. And I'm, I'm a little bit like, you know, my team will have it on in the background just so that I can sort of hear it. And I'll be like, tell me, is like, how bad is it? Oh my God, I cried. That's so embarrassing. Like, the other—

I mean, you've been in LA for a long time, and what I know that— who did you know? Who did you not know? No one's really friends, you know what I mean? But every once in a while, a couple people have happened to know each other for a really long time just from being around.

Yeah, is what it feels You also have to remember I'd never seen the show. Not an episode.

That's cool.

Of any, of any county, Housewife of any county. So I, I don't watch any reality television.

She's like, well, I mean, I saw Ohio, but otherwise no, haven't seen anything.

No, haven't had, literally haven't seen anything. And I think, I think part of that was having done my own show for so long and having been so immersed in that. Um, and having been an executive producer, having lived it. Having seen it. I didn't watch my last show once it aired. Like, once, once I reviewed the cuts and stuff, like, I had never watched it on television.

Yeah.

Um, I, I live with myself. I don't—

I never understand people. Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't want to see that either.

Oh, it's just—

I'll cash the checks. I don't need to watch it.

Yeah, it's, it's hard. So, so I think that— but then I think having been on the other side of it, I didn't need to over the last decade than sort of watch other worlds of it, right?

Yeah, yeah.

But I also think, to be honest, there's so many people in my life I respect that follow these shows. Like—

Thank you. I know we just met, but I'm glad to hear that you respect me like that.

That's really—

that's big for me.

Listen, I have to tell you, a big part of why I signed on to do it ultimately was because some of my closest girlfriends and some of the most badass successful women that I respect, not only in business, but as mothers and as people, are so obsessed with this show. And they were like, oh no, no, you're doing it. And I was like, and I understand why now. I think that it is an escape for people and it is an escape to lose their minds in other people's lives. Right. But I think for me, it's It's when I watch it now and I think this episode that's airing actually tonight, my heart was really broken because Erica really talks about an experience that she has. And I'm like, I'm so upset that I shot with her this whole time and didn't really know because when you don't shoot certain things with people, right? I didn't shoot with some of the women a lot of the time.

Sure.

You do explain.

Sure, sure, sure.

And if I don't see these cuts, I didn't know that. I didn't, I didn't know she talked about this. Like, I would have wanted to be there for her, you know?

Yeah.

Yeah. But, but to your, to answer your question, I did not know Erika or Dorit. I knew Boze a little bit because she had been on my podcast. I knew Boze a little. I knew Kathy very well, but she's more a friend. She's not like on, on all the time.

Yeah. What do they, what do they call them?

What do they call them? It's a, I think it's a main, a main cast. Best person.

But I think it is— I, I— the friend is a good place to be. I feel like you show up a couple times, you have a glass of white wine, you get a couple one-liners in, you head out.

Would love to do that.

It's like being an aunt versus a mother.

No, that is—

you know, you, you can kind of show up for just the good stuff and peace out when you want to.

Yeah, the fun, the fun stuff.

Okay, so you guys are gonna do a diaper thing. I'm gonna head out. So really good to see you.

They're gonna have a meltdown. I'm just gonna exit right now. You, you can handle that. You got that, right?

Right before we started recording, you mentioned that you recently joined the DJ community a little bit.

Yes. Can we talk about that? I'm not a DJ. I am just surrounded by them. But I am. I find that my, my new single life—

Don't tell me Diplo DM'd you. You got to be careful with that. Have you had sex with Diplo yet?

Have you had sex with Diplo? No, no. But Diplo's great.

Do you want to?

No, no, no, no. But, but I have really gotten— I've really immersed myself in this world. It's kind of fun where there are so many great DJs out there that I'm enjoying. I mean, listen, I have a lot of friends who are in it, like Paris. And, and I mean, I don't forget, like, I came up like DJ AM used to do my birthday parties. Like, Mark Ronson was doing every big event when, when I was in my 20s that we were a part of. And watching his success has been just an absolute— oh yeah, that has been so incredible to watch what Mark Ronson has done and become. He deserves every bit of it.

Yeah, he used to just be the cutest guy in the '90s, and now he's got all these Grammys and he wrote a book. He's been on our show before a couple of times. He's a great guy.

First of all, Mark is one of the nicest guys, and there's nothing I love more than watching Good things happen to good people and also people that have worked their fucking asses off, pardon my French, but to get to where they are and turn it into what they have. But also just the whole community now of like Jaima, how she owns like Surf Lodge and Snow Lodge and that whole thing and Palm Tree Festival and Kaikou and all of these things, the Rise Festival, Coachella.

Okay. Rachel, are you dipping your toe into the Burning Man kind of Illuminati a little bit?

It sounds very—

no, no, no, no. I think, you know, I did Rise this year. That was fun.

Okay, actually, is it Molly or is it ketamine? Which— those— there's two paths.

Rachel, just hold on one second. I'm gonna ask Jason if he could describe to me, a layman, what Rise Festival is, and you can chime in after.

I actually— let me, let me check here really quick. Rise.

Rise.

How is it spelled?

Rise was— Rufus DuSoul did Rise. LPBOG.

It's just RISE. It's the— Chris, it's the world's largest sky lantern festival.

By the way, that was transformative. The sky lantern festival, let me tell you, I have it on my Instagram. You can scroll back.

That's the answer, Jason. Molly, that's the answer. So hold on. Okay, so you're— where was— where was this festival? Where is it? Where does the road—

dead right now. Where?

I'm looking it up.

I'm looking it up. Rise was in the Mojave Desert outside of Vegas, like 30 minutes outside of Vegas.

Calvin Harris, John— there's— oh, oh, this is John Mayer and Goose.

Riffus du Sol did Friday night the lantern ceremony. Honestly, I had no expectation of that lantern ceremony. And I have to tell you, it was one of the most transformative things I've ever done.

Does somebody DJ during the lantern ceremony or is that separate?

Yes. Yes, someone did. I can't remember who it was, but somebody did. The first night was the craziest wind sandstorm ever. Like, Rufus didn't go on, I don't think, till midnight because they had to wait till the winds died down a little bit.

Doesn't it piss you off? Doesn't it piss you off that Rufus du Sol's 3 guys? It pisses me off. It's confusing. It's confusing. It feels like it's one guy, but it's 3 guys.

They're really good. But I have to say that the whole DJ thing— I have not done Burning Man because I just don't think I could survive it. I just don't think I could.

Because at this festival, at Rise Festival, You were staying in one of your suites at the Wynn. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, I did it fancy. I did. But, but listen, it was one of the most civilized festivals that I've been to.

Yeah.

You know, but listen, like, now, you know, Brian Goldberg, who does Nylon, I mean, these Nylon parties, they are like Sophie Tucker and Blondish and like, you know, I mean, there's, there's the whole— it's the whole thing.

So you're okay. But are you, are you saying to us, because you're alluding to the fact that you might be looking for love in the DJ community, is that— am I going too far with that, or is that a fair thing to say?

Rich guys go to those parties now.

I don't know that I'm looking for love in the DJ community. I think that I have a lot of friends that are in it, and I have my kind of New York City friend group, um, follows a lot of it. And we kind of, you know, in the places we go, like Aspen and Hamptons and St. Barts, and now, you know, with Palm Tree Festival and like, you know, there's a lot of events that are now built around the DJ community.

It's a global network where you can go anytime.

Yeah, just like Frieze Art Week or Art Basel or whatever.

100%. But I will say this, it's pretty crazy. I would say now from when I first learned about it, it was just like at Coachella and it was at Zenyara after the festival and whatever. But now it's like It's like literally every week around the world. Around the world.

Okay. How often, how often are you going out?

Me?

Yeah.

Wow. Well, it depends, you know, like, so I'll be at Coachella. I'll probably go a few nights and I'll probably— I'll go out 3 nights, 3 out of 3. Right. But like, you know, but, but during, like, when I'm at home. Yeah. When I'm at home, like, I'm not.

I mean, when you're in LA, you're not really going out. You're saying you make a weekend habit.

I go in waves. Yeah, yeah, I go in waves. Like, truthfully, like, I just got back from a whirlwind in New York and then Miami, and we went, we, we had fun. And so I've been back now for a week. I've not gone out in a week.

Like, you have to pick your battles as we get older.

Yeah, that's true.

Yeah.

When you travel, when, when is this— and, and I don't mean to get into something so serious, but when is the last time that you didn't check a bag?

Check a bag?

Yeah, when's the last time you, you did carry-on only?

I don't do carry-on.

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I don't— that doesn't exist for me.

Okay. No results found.

I've done it once or twice when I had to do to like an appearance in like Dallas, and I was going for like less than 24 hours, and I had to wear one thing and yeah, whatever. But my shoes take up my carry-on, like 2 pairs of shoes.

All right, so we're going to New York, we're going to New York for a week. What is it— what is the bellhop looking like at the Greenwich? He's, he's pissed.

It's not cute. Like it— yeah, I mean, it's excessive in a day. I mean, like, when I was going to Paris for Fashion Week and stuff, I mean, I, I've gone as far as like 14 big 30-inch suitcases.

So I'm 14 suitcases, but this is for yourself, this isn't clients, this is you?

Uh, oh no, no, this was for me when I was like filming the show or like whatever. And, and when— and but, but, but now it's not. The most I'm taking for me now, the most honestly, is 4 30-inch.

Okay.

4:30.

The most, the 4:30.

That is max. That's max though. I try to keep it to 2 or 3.

Is this stuff already on hangers or no?

Yeah, always on hangers.

There we go. There we go.

I can't function if it's not on hangers. That gives me a panic attack.

So hold on, you're saying you pack— this is a stylist trait where you pack it thin velvet hangers? Sure. So nothing moves once they're up?

Well, it's also time saving when you, when you get out, when you get to the hotel, you just go like, pull it out and everything's in a garment bag and, you know.

Okay. Do we have a labeling system as well, or is—

No, I'm not that crazy. I do that for clients. Like when I was styling, I would do it for clients, but not for me because I'm too frenetic and change, you know, I change my—

So let's say you're going— let's say you and I, let's say you and I are going to dinner.

Yeah. Oh, are we on a date?

Feels like it. No.

Well, I'm not saying that. It's 8 o'clock.

San Vicente Bungalows. We got a spot for you at the table tonight.

7:30 tonight. Okay.

SVB.

You're— what time do you start getting ready for a 7:30 reservation? —Oh, 6:30. —Okay, so we only need an hour for home. It's easy.

Well, that's because you already woke up with the makeup on from last night. Yeah, yeah.

Like, at that point, I have my 7 AM makeup and I'm touching it up. I'm probably putting another, like, 20 minutes on, and then I'm grabbing, like, one of my uniforms, like a fur coat and a pair of black suede pants and heels, and I'm done.

Okay, so we're out the door.

You know it's going to work. You don't have to think about it.

Yeah. Yeah, totally. That's easy.

You don't have to text a photo.

Different, different than event dressing, different than like I'm doing a red carpet situation.

But you're, you're, you're low maintenance is what you're saying.

I think if I said that, someone would bomb my house. No, I don't think I can say that.

The people that are in it right now would bomb it, I think.

Okay, um, on the, on, on the stylist topic, I want to do a, a stylist fuck, marry, kill. Celebrity, editorial, and commercial.

Okay, wait, say that again.

Fuck, marry, kill. Uh-huh.

Celebrity styling, like personal styling for a celeb. Editorial for a magazine or something. And then, you know, commercial for the, uh, you know, the Facebook Super Bowl ad or whatever. A lot of pros and cons, you know. Editorial, no money.

I know, but editorial is marry because that was my happiest creativity. Okay. And where I made no money, where I probably lost money, but I was the happiest. This. Like, I would literally— like, you would see me on a Peter Lindbergh photo shoot, like, styling couture on a supermodel on the beach. And I probably lost money on that job for sure. Yeah. And probably aged quite a bit on that job. But like, but also just beaming, like, literally beaming, you know. And is it— is—

are you beaming because, like, oh my God, this is amazing, I'm doing exactly what I want? Or are you thinking, like, yes, I can't wait to have these images that dreamed in my head.

I'm thinking I'm living my dream. I can't believe I'm doing this right now. And that was just Peter Lindbergh.

Just imagine, you know what I mean? Imagine.

So yeah, commercial shoots that I made the most on were, were the lead.

I was like, well, so we would kill, we would kill the commercial and we would fuck celebrities.

Commercial. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, sure.

100%.

It all makes sense to me actually. Yeah. 100%.

Yeah, but I mean, I think that there's a— so I, I was reading a little bit, and obviously Jason and I were around for this era because I think we're, we're relatively the same age, you know what I mean? So it's like we were around for the, the heyday. But I guess that the, the thing now where like Justin and Hailey don't leave the house without an outfit that they've put on, on a hanger. Yeah, that was sort of new when you were doing it for like Lindsay Lohan and the paparazzi.

I mean, I started doing that because I felt like, I felt like if you are going to work this hard to look this epic when you do a carpet, why would you then roll out of bed to the same amount of press that we're going to appear in tabloids and everywhere else? Why do you not care about that? Yeah. And, and it's okay if you don't. I think it's cool. But they did care, some of them. And so then they would come to me and be like, look how they got me. Look how they found me. Look at this picture of me, whatever. And I was like, okay, so let's take 10 minutes and do something cute. Let's do something that, that looks like you, but like a little, a little more.

Yeah. Considered. Considered.

Yes. And, and, and I just felt that way about like when you travel, why do you have to look like you're in bed? Like, I don't understand. Like why there has to be like some gray area between looking like, you know, you got ready for 6 hours by professionals, you know, versus what you are in your downtime. And all of them were so gorgeous. They were so beautiful. It was like, why—

Don't get me started on the Lohan heyday now. We could do another hour.

Listen, why are you wearing the Free People sweats to toast brunch or something like that? You're throwing it all away. Look, it's the destruction of the middle class of fashion. All we have is red carpet or pajamas. There's nothing else left in the middle, bro.

Not toast.

Damn, you just pulled out toast, didn't you?

I pulled out toast.

You might as well pull out Newsroom and the Ivy too. Oh, I used to love that Newsroom juice bar, man.

Oh my God, so good. Back when Robertson was Robertson, am I right?

Robertson was not a ghost town. I feel like—

yeah, I feel like you did more for Robertson than fucking Kitsun, the city of Los Angeles, honestly. You're the fuck— but I mean, what— because that was— this is like, I remember remember going to the airport and like I would buy Star and fucking Us Weekly. And there was a couple other— Star was my favorite because it was a little more salacious. It wasn't— yeah, Us Weekly was like corporate.

I never looked at Star. That was like traumatic for me. It was like Us, and what was the other one?

I'm not thinking. Life and Style.

Life and Style. That's what it was.

That's it. But of those, so those Did you have— after, after a little while, you had to know these photographers at a certain point.

You're seeing them all the time.

You know, I didn't really, because it's more civilized now, even though there's more places to put the images.

There was a few nice ones, you know, that would be like, hey, Rachel, like, da da da. Or like when I had Sky, they would back off, you know, if I, if I asked them, like, guys, come on, I have my baby.

I've always wanted to say that. That's my favorite. Not tonight, guys. I'm with my family. That's the classic.

Yeah. That's one of my— But here's the thing about that. Ultimately, that's what made me step out of it because it got really scary. When I had Sky, they were chasing me down alleyways right around my house. I was living in the Beverly Hills Flats, and I would walk with the stroller into town just to get a coffee or whatever. And those moments where they're chasing you and jumping out from behind your cars, just as like someone who's like a small girl, you know, and I had my baby. It was just very— that got scary. And that's when I, that's when I was like, okay, this is not— this isn't, this isn't okay.

Do you think that's pretty much over now? Unless it's like— I feel like that era was a 5, 6-year window where it was really, really intense.

I think there's rules. I think there's laws around it now, and I think they can't I think they're not allowed to show certain age children now, I think. Yeah, children, I think—

well, I think you can choose. I mean, like, even David Miller's children. Yeah, so they would just do whatever.

Yeah. And I remember one photographer stood outside this, um, uh, it's like this stretch on Beverly one time, and I had Sky, who was just born, and I was holding him, and there were so many like flashes, and they came store. And I remember this photographer being like, if I don't go back with this picture, I'm going to be fired. And I was like, shit. I was like, I was like, I'm literally no one. Like, I don't understand why this is like— and that scared the hell out of me. And I remember in that moment being like, yeah, this has to stop now. You know, like, I have to, I have to take a beat. Yeah. You know, this is, this is getting scary. You know, and because it just as a girl, like, it just— I hate to sound like that, but it's like, I imagine if you're like a big dad, like carrying a child, you feel a little safer. Yeah.

When it's like, when it's 30 guys in Range Rovers going 110 miles an hour. Yes.

Yes. And that was happening. I was, I was driving and I was like, what? How do I stop this? Like, how do I— where do I turn? You know, wait a second. Where is it? I'm in dark. I'm in back alley.

If I can't go down an alley, where can I go?

You're like, am I famous enough for a police escort? I don't know. Is there a number I call?

I'm a frickin' stylist, people. Like, this is— I'm not Madonna. What is going on?

No, I think that it has changed and it's calmed down. But there's certain levels of celebrity where the rule— like if, you know, Taylor Swift pops out or, you know, Tom Cruise is riding his motorcycle out of, you know, Sunset Tower Valet, like, yeah, all, you know, people— it goes back to the old days of guys jumping out of trees and just, you know, risking their lives.

I think the bigger thing now is that because of social media, Yeah, they don't, they don't need that picture because the power isn't there. The power's not there. You're gonna put up a better one.

800 people got the same photo.

So yes, Selena Gomez has, you know, a billion followers on Instagram. What picture? What do you got, bro? I mean, but the thing is, I think it— I feel like the only point, or a lot of it then, was sort of like to see someone drunk, right? Or to see them doing something bad. Yes, yes. And I think that was what made it fun, quote unquote, for everybody? Is it— it was like, oh, was that coke on her nose? You know, like, oh, this is crazy.

Whereas—

and a lot of times it was because now it's just sort of like, oh yeah, it's Jacob Elordi looking really hot leaving a restaurant after having a tea. Like, it's not really— there's— yeah, it's like, it's not really much to go with. I mean, you want to see his clothes, I guess. He's so cute. Yeah, no shit, Rachel. He's—

yeah, he's really cute. Yeah, who actually, while that we're on that topic, let's, who are some, now that you're a single woman, who are we, who are the loins boiling for?

Yeah, what are the, who are we looking at? What's the age cutoff though? Real talk.

Real talk. What's the age cutoff? It cannot have a 2 in front of it. Okay.

Okay. That's pretty good. That's, that's okay. That's, I think that's reasonable.

So 3 and up. Sure. Okay.

Yeah. Because I think men, I think men would say there can't be a 1 in front of it. Bit. So it's big of you.

It's big of you. Jesus Christ.

Not any guys that we would hang out with.

I'm raising two young boys, right? So my son is turning 15.

So if anybody wants to get, get into your life, they got to be the, the dad that stepped up as well.

They can't just— he doesn't have to have kids. He doesn't have to have kids.

But like, he can't be in the same grade as your son is what you're saying.

I mean, Jesus Christ, you guys. Oh my God.

All right, so what's your— so what's your son— does he— does your son think you're cool, or does he think like he—

does he not get it? You know, I think my son He thinks I'm cool now. He does think I'm cool. I think because I think there was this moment when he was in 7th grade. So I have one in 6th and one in 9th. You know, I'm so close with them. I don't try to be cool around them at all. Like, I don't try to say their things they say. Like, the other day I was like, oh my God, you guys, I'm crashing out. They're like, Mom. I was like, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to like try to sound like you.

Well, don't say crashing out. Yeah, that's not good.

I was like, but I actually really was crashing out. I was like, oh my God, I'm like overstimulated. My head's gonna implode. But I think because I'm so close with, like, his friends and his, like, friends that are girls. Hold on. So hold on.

So Big Sky's bringing chicks back to the house? Well, like, no door closed, I bet. No door closed.

No door closed. Yeah. No, but I am, like, friends with his guy friends and also friends with his girl friends that— friends that are girls. Sure. They'll, like, come and hang out with me. So I think— I know you ain't got—

I know you ain't got no snacks in that house.

So what the fuck?

I have so many snacks. Snacks. I have more food and more snacks than any house you've ever been in. There— wow— there are two full massive drawers with organized snacks in bins all the time, full. And if they're not full, I have a panic attack.

Okay, what area of snacks is your specialty?

Um, all salty snacks. Um, okay, salty, sweet, candy? No, no candy. And everything's organic, of course. Um, and there is dark chocolate. There's dark chocolate, sure. Um, but there's a lot of salty snacks.

Like, actually good for you. But you'll get that— you're getting the Whole Foods or the Erewhon version of maybe a childhood classic.

Billion percent. There are no, um, chemical-filled snacks in my house.

Maybe a gluten-free peanut butter pretzel, something like that.

Sure. But sure, like the Quinn ones. Yeah, sure. But you know, I'll be honest, my kids don't love peanut butter. I try to force it on them, they don't. It's weird. They're like, Mom, we're allergic.

Stop being such a little pussy.

Why is your tongue so big, loser? Sky did slip recently and said like, yeah, Mom, you're the cool mom. My friends think you're a cool mom. And I was like, oh, wow.

I thought you were going to say he had a spoonful of peanut butter. I was like, uh-oh, going to get this guy in rehab.

No, I do give them protein smoothies and slip a little almond butter, peanut butter situation in there.

Is he trying to bulk up a little bit?

Yeah, he is trying to bulk up. He is really?

Yeah. Is he a member of the manosphere? Is he watching people stream and hit their face with hammers? I can't—

like, snatch cheekbones? I mean, I got to tell you, there's no world that I ever thought by having two boys that they were going to have any interest or knowledge of the anatomy of the face. That is something. Sure. Because in our era, Mhm. Guys were like—

guys didn't even use soap to wash their face.

Forget that. They didn't look in the mirror. So like, must be nice. I have no more Tom Ford cologne. All my Tom Fords are gone.

Yeah, because I know young guys are really into fragrance. That's like a big thing.

I can't— I, I have none left. They, they— my kids are like, I have no Tom Ford. Really? Anything, anything that is designer or androgynous, like, or unisex or whatever.

Is he trying to get— is he trying to get— tap into your Chrome Hearts, or has he resisted that.

I have no Chrome Hearts left. It's gone. He's got all the Chrome. All the Chrome? Yeah, 100%.

Okay, is your son a heady boy?

A what boy?

Heady boy. It's like— what does that mean? Like Hedy Lamarr.

Oh yeah, yes. And also, here's the thing, they— okay, so it's wild because like they'll be like, Mom, like, do you know Rick Owens? Or like, do you— are like, Mom, do you ever own anything with Rick Owens? I'm like, I have a whole section in my archive of Rick Owens. Like, and I, I let him put on one of my, like, Rick Owens leather jackets. And like, you know, Margiela, all these designers are like, it's wild. And, and the founders of Chrome Hearts, Lori and Richard, are friends of mine for 20 years. I mean, Lori's like a really close friend. And the fact that my the fact that I'm friends with her actually made me cool. Wow. And so when we went to see Lori at Chrome in St. Barts, I mean, my kids were like, like, star, star.

And I'm like, they let them buy a beanie because, because like they were meeting Drake or something like that.

Oh no, no, literally.

And you're like, I've known this lady forever, what's going on?

I mean, quite literally, I met Lori when I was getting leather pants for like Enrique Iglesias.

He was, he was hot back then. He's still hot.

Yes, honestly, Enrique is beautiful, but he's also— he is such an elegant, kind soul. He's, he's like, as good-looking as he is, he is kind. And he is also just such a boy. Like, he's like a baseball hat and a hoodie.

Yeah, like, that's it. Must be nice. Yeah, he doesn't need the extra shit.

That's why. He does not need any extra shit.

But I always forget, because I think you're so well known for women, that there was so much work with men too. Oh, I styled a lot of—

I mean, the first part of my career was styling, you know, male supermodels, actors. I mean, Ashton Kutcher, I met— he was one of the first guys I ever styled, and I met him when he was doing the Calvin ads. Like, I met him so young. He was doing like early, like, YSL, shows and stuff like that as well. Yeah. I mean, Ashton's always been good looking. He's always been nice. He's always been—

He needs a stylist. He needs a stylist right now. So maybe you could step in.

I mean, Ashton's good. I do not worry about Ashton. He is. And I love his wife, Mila. She's amazing. They're great. And he's so success— I mean, he's such a success story, not only as an actor, but honestly, as like an investor entrepreneur. I mean, he's brilliant. It's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy. It's, it's amazing. It's amazing to watch people that I've known for so long, like that either started as an actor or a musician or a model, you know, become these like incredible successful entrepreneurs, founders, investors, you know? Well, do you think of yourself as like a business person now? I am a business person. Yeah. I agree. I, I mean, first, probably first and foremost. I mean, like, I started my life as a stylist, and I— and everything I do in my career is through the lens of a stylist. You know, it's always going to be what is visually stimulating and beautiful, but also anything that pertains to building the brand and sort of the message, the common thread throughout of, of really helping women and helping men too. Really live, you know, their best lives in the most— yes, filled with style, of course, but also helping particularly women find their footing in, in building brands and business, you know, confidence, finding their style, finding, you know, their own path and journey to where they can and should be, you know, and, and really trying to come from a place of of, I don't want to say teaching, but really just trying to help women learn from, you know, mistakes I've made along the way.

Oh, come on. You've not, you haven't made any mistakes. Don't do that.

I've made so many mistakes. People say that to me all the time.

I— Oh, I was joking. I was joking. I know.

People say that to me all the time. They're like, they're like, you've never tripped up. I'm like, are you okay? I've tripped over myself more times than I haven't. But like, you know, I try to really I, you know, my youngest son always drops these little nuggets of wisdom at, you know, age 12. You know, you either win or you learn. You know, comparison is the motherfucker.

Deepak Chopra, what the hell?

Yeah, by the way. Yeah. Jay Shetty ass.

All right. Good for him. That is nice.

Okay. Well, I wanted to— my wife is a wardrobe stylist as well.

Oh, wow. Oh, amazing. So you know the actual hell of it.

I know, I know, I know a good amount about how this whole world works. Do you have any advice for dating a stylist who might have a similar personality type as yours, Rachel? I think I'm good. We're married and we have a beautiful relationship.

But could you figure out a way to make Jason not 5 minutes late because he's got to pack boxes? Is that, is that anything you can do?

Uh, how long have you you been together?

We've been together probably like 8, 9 years. Been married for 2 and a half.

And how long has she been a stylist?

She's been a stylist maybe like 15 years.

Wow. Okay. So you were born into this. You met her in this. So, you know, she was already— She was sleeping in rolling racks and boxes and stuff. Okay, I get it. Yeah.

Yeah. I work from home, so I'm shipping and receiving. The boxes come in.

So you're basically— Yeah, you're shipping and receiving. Okay, I understand. But more so, I mean, like the personality type, because you are producers also.

We are. At the end of the day, and you have management and you have your team and your assistants.

It's so much.

It's a special personality. It is a special personality.

And it's a job that you have to love with every inch of your being because it's too much work to do if you don't love it, because you'll just hate everything if you don't love it. It's exhaustive. And, and, and very thankless at times. And, um, but if you love what you're doing, it is important for you to try and separate when her work is done and your work is done to take time for you that is not related to that, because otherwise you find yourself immersed in boxes and clothes and FedEx FedEx and rolling around.

Jason, if WorldNet calls after 8 PM, you just can't pick it up. I don't care how important it is.

But by the way, you better answer that fucking call or you're not gonna have what you need. Like, you are at the mercy of WorldNet and FedEx.

You got to keep the fridge stocked, you know. This is all, this is all light stuff, bro. Just some snacks, I think, is the biggest takeaway, I would say. Snacks. When did— when's the last time you didn't drive an SUV? Me? Yeah. Uh, Oh God, never.

I've had big cars and SUVs since, since. Yeah, you have no choice.

That's the other thing I think is interesting is that you kind of have to have a big car. It's part of the job.

100%.

Hauling those trunks. Well, I think it's all worth it from a business standpoint at the end of the day. Yeah. All this hard work and working for free and, you know, the hours and the stress and the anxiety because everything's a write-off, right?

But it is, but it is very important that she, in you kind of, I think, look at what you do as more than a service you're providing and try to have something tangible that you can have ownership in or invest in so that if, God forbid, a dog that goes away, you know, this is the, this is the business person speaking, that you have a product, have a product, have a product. It's why every hairstylist has a brand, why every makeup artist has a brand, why, you design, why stylists start, you know, it doesn't have to be clothing. It could be anything. It could literally be anything. Could be an organic food company. It doesn't matter. But just something to—

Something that'll make money while you're asleep where, you know, mailbox money. Once the hands are arthritic and can no longer pull lubrifying.

That and also like, if God forbid there's a world shutdown again.

Yeah, another world shutdown. Because let me tell you something. I'll tell you, you know who suffered? You know who suffered during the shutdown? Stylist. That's who I was thinking about first and foremost.

Stylist, hair, makeup. They literally— I had people, my very close friends that are the most successful stylists in the world, like now. I mean, they didn't work. There was not a job to be had. There was not a dollar to be made.

And it was good for me because I produced all the podcasts for all those bitches for those 6 months when they all were like, I guess I'm going to do a podcast now.

Yeah. It's funny you say that. Bye. It's funny you say that because, I mean, maybe you didn't do this, but I kept my team— I did my hair and makeup every day at my house to keep them employed during the pandemic.

You want to know what I did? To go back to the smoky eye question, I had a cat eye every single day in COVID.

I bet you did. I bet you were going off.

Just a smoky COVID eye.

I did. I just didn't really care. I was like, I got to look at myself right now and I'm not ready to see myself.

Yeah, I still look at the reflection. As we wrap up, I think our female listeners would be upset if we didn't ask you about your hair. Hair, my hair, kind of what, what goes into it, because I know it's one of your more iconic— no, part of, part of your look. Obviously the clothes can change, the furs can change, the gold could change. The hair has been very consistent, I would say, for, for most of the time.

I, I think that my hair weirdly is the lowest maintenance thing for me because I just— it is an actual part of me. It is like my curtain, it's like, it's like sunglasses for me. It just is a constant.

So we're confirming that it's real. We are confirming it's real.

My hair is Real? Um, I mean, most of my hair is real in some ways. Okay, that's good enough. I'm gonna say most of my hair is real. I have— I, I play with, um, extensions for like fullness.

Yeah, sometimes we gotta beef up depending on what's going on.

Well, well, also the other part of that is that my, my hair, especially because of all the shooting that I've been doing, especially over the last few years with the and press and stuff, it's like I'm constantly, you know, in my, in my not shooting life, I'll just like wash my hair, let it dry naturally, put a lot of like product in it, like from Olaplex to— Well, that was my next question.

What's the shampoo conditioner routine?

I use a lot of different, but I do love Olaplex. I love Olaplex products. I love Color Wow. Color Wow. Great hair product because there's no residue, there's no buildup. Up. So I do love that. I love Barbara Sturm haircare.

I didn't know Sturm had hair. She does. Damn, my wallet, my pockets ain't deep enough for that.

Yeah, well, I have her whole skincare line too. I mean, it's intense. I mean, this stuff gets expensive, but it's great. It's great. The good stuff is great and worth it. You know, you got to kind of take care of it.

Couldn't agree more. That's why I look 25 and I'm, you know, 43.

What's the nighttime routine? Do we braid it? Is there a silk durag?

Yeah, silk durag.

There's something really funny about you guys asking hair questions. I'm not going to lie. I love it. It's really making me laugh. Okay, so here's my deal. If I— so in the summer especially, I will wash my hair like twice a week. Okay. You know, I call it the big shower, right? Where you like have to do the whole thing. The everything shower. A friend of mine goes, are you going in for the mermaid shower? I'm like, yeah, I'm doing a mermaid shower.

I'll call you in 2 hours. I'm going in.

See you on the other side. Yeah. No, no.

By the way, I'm not joking. I will text and be like, be back in 2 hours. Like a doctor going in for surgery. Literally, it's such a thing. And it's like, you know, you do your mask and you do the whole thing. But, but yeah, so I'll do all the things where I'll do like a good shampoo, deep conditioner, hair mask, and then come out and then I'll braid it. I'll braid it or I'll do like, I'll do like a bun, like a knot. Not. Um, but typically I'll do like 2 or 3 braids and just let it dry in the braids, and then I got like a wave. You get a natural wave.

My wife does the same thing.

I, I like to— if I don't have to, if I, if I don't have to dry my hair, I will not dry my hair. I will, I will always let it air dry.

Yeah, I let mine air dry too.

You know, you're annoying because you don't have to do anything.

It is annoying. Well, I get a haircut every week, which is kind of annoying, and yourself, you know what I mean? Because you want to keep it clean, right? But it— but that's not as annoying as spending thousands of dollars on products. It's just—

it's just honestly like our— it's just— it's just so much to be us. It's just being a girl in this world is so much.

Hey, we love you guys for it. We love you guys for it.

Thank you.

And when we're done with all this big press run and all these media thingies, we want a nice vacay for you, okay? Thank you very much.

I know you're going to Cabo. I know you're going—

I I mean, if I could dream a dream, well, I will be in Aspen when this is all over and then maybe St. Barts would be amazing.

But that would be nice. Can you actually ski or are you just there for the operation?

I don't know. I'm a skier, but I'm a skier since I'm 4. My dad made sure my sister and I were skiers. We never went to beach vacations, only skiing my whole life. But we, but now I probably wouldn't ski now as a mom. Um, I do it with the boys when they ask me to, but I could easily do a week in Aspen and not touch the slopes. It's— I don't need to. I just, to be honest, I just don't want to get hurt. I know that sounds crazy. I don't know, I don't either. I could ski black diamonds all day long, but like, getting, getting hurt for me right now would be just so bad for my kids, and so that scares me. What a great story.

What a great storyline. You got to get perks from Dorit. I could see it now. This is a good— this is good. I see something here.

Yeah, we can't, we can't have a full leg cast for 6 months right now. There's too much going on.

We can't.

No, I can't. I say to my kids, like, I know you want me to ski with you, but if I get hurt, you have no mom.

So it's a good way to look at it.

They're like, but still come, Mom, still come. Whatever you say.

All right, okay, really quick, last question, then we're going to let you go. The, the Met Gala theme this year is Fashion is Art.

Oh my God, this is the best theme that I have seen for the Met in forever. Like, forever. This is one of my favorite themes they've ever done because it's so open to interpretation.

I mean, this is the dream.

I mean, this is literally like— I mean, McQueen, Saint Laurent, like the Modigliani prints. Like, I mean, forget it. It's like, this is, this is literally the absolute dream theme. Like, I, as a stylist, like, I honestly want to come out of styling retirement to dress as many people as possible for this.

Okay. Jacob Elordi. If you're listening, send a DM. Rachel will style you. We're making—

you have to leave the room when he changes though. We're not letting you get a free show. We're not letting you get a free show. That's what the assistants are for. That's what the assistants are for. Sorry, we can't let you do that.

I mean, I think, guys, I styled Brad Pitt. I styled a lot of boys. Yeah, those moments are rough. I'm not gonna lie. Yeah, those moments are rough when you're—

I know, they sound terrible. Uh, Brad, I'll just turn around then.

Um, I'll just turn around.

Yeah, my wife's really going through it with Sombra lately. She's really in hell right now.

Somber. The one dating Jesse Jo Stark?

No, that's, that's, uh, um, no, that's, that's, that's Young Blood.

Young Blood. Young Blood. Sorry, I'm not okay.

But yeah, Rachel, thank you so much. An honor talking to you. It was a blast.

Of course, you guys. This was, it was great. Thank you so much. We'll see you soon.

Bye.

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